Oral and IV Calcium EDTA for Autistic Kids
(±2004) Have you or any readers had any experience with oral and IV calcium EDTA in autistic kids? If not, do you believe it would be safe to use?
Dear Doctor:
The answer is “YES” as a useful adjunct to any other chelation program. There is clear evidence that Ca EDTA will remove clearly and efficiently things like lead and cadmium. All contribute to autism and make the mercury we all know is involved up to 10-100 times MORE toxic for these children.
Please read on for a longer response to this question.
Sincerely,
Garry F. Gordon, MD,DO,MD(H)
Hello Everyone.
I have a BIG concern and question about Chelation that I hope some of you can help me with.
My son is 6 1/2 years old (diagnosed with autism) and we have just recently visited a DAN! Doctor for the first time as we would like to embark on biomedical treatments (after having done 3 full years of intensive ABA).
On the Vega (Electrodermal) testing my son had, it showed that he had very high levels of MERCURY, LEAD, CADMIUM and ALMUNIUM. It also showed that he had a very significant YEAST OVERGROWTH and food intolerances to (surprise!) GLUTEN, CASEIN, etc. Other than that, we have not yet had any formal diagnostic testing done but are due to have an “Oxymark Panel” performed on the 26th which I am told encompasses a full range of nutritional panels (Antioxidants, Urinary Organic Acids, Amino Acids, Essential Fatty Acids, Oxidative Stress biomarkers).
My concern is this…… our DAN! doctor after visiting with us once (albeit for 5 hours) would like us to begin a “Challenge Test for Heavy Metals” IMMEDIATELY and has prescribed the following protocol to us:
**Metoxsol (is a liquid Homeopath like EDTA)
**Redoxal (is methionine and taurine)
WEEKS 1, 3, 5, 7, 9:
DAYS 1 – 7: Redoxal, Glutathione, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C, Metoxsol, Selenium, Multiminerals.
WEEKS 2, 4, 6, 8, 10:
DAYS 1 – 4: Redoxal, Glutathione, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C, Metoxsol, Selenium, Multiminerals.
DAY 5: Redoxal, Glutathione, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C, Metoxsol, DMSA (10mg/kg), Alpha-Lipoic Acid (2mg/kg)
DAY 6: Redoxal, Glutathione, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C, Metoxsol, DMSA (10mg/kg), Alpha-Lipoic Acid (2mg/kg)
DAY 7: Redoxal, Glutathione, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin C, Metoxsol, DMSA (10mg/kg), Alpha-Lipoic Acid (2mg/kg)
Immediately following the last DMSA/Alpha-Lipoic Acid capsules (on the 10 week) we go to the office for a DMPS injection followed by a 24-hour urine collection.
Now, what I am wondering is this…does this protocol sound like something I should be concerned with? When I had posted it to one of my parent lists, they seemed rather shocked and have not heard of such a protocol (even those doing chelation). This has raised major red flags to me and now I am worried about it. My doctor is currently on vacation so I am not able to speak with him about it and am, therefore, making a plea to all of you. Does this protocol seem way off the wall? Dangerous in any way? Or completely and totally normal?
I do not know a whole lot about chelation but have heard such good results that I am so excited to try it as soon as possible but I have also read (through books such as “Children with Starving Brains”) that Chelation should always be PRECEDED by gut-healing, nutritional correction and as much general improvement in the child’s health system as possible. In other words, the child’s intestinal health, nutritional status immunity must be optimized and the child be free of gastrointestinal pathogen overgrowth BEFORE chelation therapy or it could make things worse!
My son has not had a stool test or hair analysis and has not done anything apart from being on a casein free diet (for about 2/ 1/2 year). Are we jumping the gun with chelation at this time, before working on everything else?
I am so confused and so concerned at this point and want to make sure I am doing the right thing because I know this could be dangerous otherwise. Can anyone please help me? Please feel free to email me privately if you wish. Thank you all so much for taking the time to read my post!
Your questions and concerns are very timely. I am happy to post this question to my friends and solicit their input for you. I happen to know the story on Redoxal and feel this is entirely appropriate and safe being primarily dl Methionine but I know nothing about Metoxsol.
I have devoted over 30 years to the study of EDTA in all forms and have posted over 400 references on my website JUST on its safe and effective use ORALLY. By trying to educate everyone on this remarkable compound, doctors can apply the oral use on everyone including babies at doses of up to 1000mg per 35# body weight based on the standard formula, that is the benefit to risk ratio.
Since Ca EDTA is virtually as safe as the other better known weak organic acids, ascorbic acid (Vitamin C), and since EDTA is 4 molecules of acetic acid (vinegar), it stands to reason that all weak organic acids are PROVEN to be effective oral chelators. Since everyone today is provably living with at least 1000 times more lead in our bones and, thus, in our tissues than anyone living on earth before the industrial age had, then why not use both of these weak chelators everyday of everyone’s life. On my website is found documentation of at least five times more lead coming out daily if you are on this remarkable, safe, affordable substance. It is not the greatest initially at getting out mercury, however, since it is so cheap and so safe, I feel it is the foundation of any total detoxification program for anyone attempting to improve their health with any diagnosis and I have NO concerns about anyone taking it daily for life as I have been on it for 17 years, orally in doses of 1-5 grams at different times but never without it.
I am now learning from our doctors using this in the combination with Garlic, Malic Acid, dl methionine, etc., which I formulated back in 1983-85, that the longer patients take it, the MORE available the MERCURY tends to become to other chelators like DMPS and DMSA whether used ORALLY, transdermally, or by injection, IM or IV.
This is a very real phenomena in that some patients without this predetox program if given IV DMPS, which is NOT without significant side effects that you must learn all about, may put out very little Mercury, but then if they are treated with the Ca EDTA Garlic etc product that I call Essential Daily Defense, costing approximately 16 cents per capsule and each cap contain 133mg of EDTA, for a period of 1-4 months, NOW the same IV provocative test that your doctor is recommending will produce even 10 TIMES more mercury coming out in the urine than was seen when the PREDETOX program was NOT followed. Please note, we also offer 100mg of EDTA in tasty chewable tablets that contain chewing gum so that we can deliver this EDTA SUBLINGUALLY, a method that will work even for children with sensitive stomachs, and thus get around the nonsense of having to use rectal suppositories. They simply CHEW the gum until the flavor leaves and they can spit out the remaining gum; they will have received 100 mg of Calcium EDTA, which does NOT carry with it the organic Garlic, etc that you find in the Essential Daily Defense capsules but will have HIGH patient acceptance!
Thus, I am GLAD that your doctor is conservative enough to NOT offer the DMPS challenge until after the predetox has been given. I am not, however, familiar enough with the so called homeopathic EDTA to comment, although in my mind I see NO reason, with the REAL EDTA being this cheap and safe, not at least offer it to everyone even if they are using a homeopathic. The HEEL company has a homeopathic DETOX kit, which I AM familiar with and is VERY affordable (less than $30 a month).
Everyone has too much heavy metal. I am an advisor to the American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology and we want to be “scientific” about helping you understand how MUCH of a contribution the heavy metals are making to your son’s situation Thus, even if the challenge test we may use carries some risk of side effects, it is still comforting to know that the toxic levels found on the first challenge are coming down, which they would anyway. That is the dilemma, how to be scientific and yet do NO HARM; that decision will be between you and your doctor. However, the DMSA or DMPS products will work well orally, and I have good reason to believe that there will be a very safe transdermal delivery system for DMPS developed within a few months, if not earlier.
Of course, with my research it is clear that anyone will have to stay on some oral chelation for LIFE or any efforts at heavy metal detoxification will only produce TRANSITORY benefits. It turns out that you would have to chelate your son for at least 7 years for the bone lead that is stored in his bones to be really significantly depleted. If you do NOT stay on the chelation continuously that lead will simply go BACK to his brain after you stop chelation. That is WHY I am such a strong advocate for LONG term safe, affordable, PROVEN heavy metal detoxification such as you can do with Essential Daily Defense.
There are many other safe natural chelators from chlorella and cilantro and natural humates but my average program would simply add the special oral powder form of Bioperine, MSM, RIBOSE, TMG that I call BEYOND C. This special formulation of Vitamin C is tolerated in far higher quantities than other forms without stomach upset and he could take 1/2 tsp twice daily and later increase to 1 tsp twice daily. This works BETTER with the simple addition of 200 mg of Alpha Lipoic Acid and the Thio-GEL form seems to be both water and fat soluble so I recommend it.
After the predetox period, the choice of short term use of some ORAL DMPS like 50 -100 mg or DMSA, or even Penicillamine, on a special schedule so that it is only used intermittently will need to be considered between you and your doctor. But, Russell Blalock, Chief of Neurosurgery at the University of Mississippi, and I both INSIST that over time the organic garlic alone found in many products will clearly, slowly remove all MERCURY from the brain of your child or anyone else. OF course autism is a multi-factorial problem and here I am only addressing this small portion of my program. Clearly your doctor is aware of the other aspects, from food allergy to dysbiosis etc.
It is not my intent to explain my total program here, which MUST deal with the infections that I can PROVE are part of your son’s problem nor the associated increase in blood viscosity that is partly related to these infections. Some of them are CMV, Chlamydia, Herpes, and SV-40 and we find these in all of us today and MORE in the immune compromised autistic children.
I am hopeful that less toxic administration of DMPS may be available soon using transdermal delivery systems that will accelerate the mercury detoxification and be safely used for short term to hasten the mercury removal process, but I have no problem with your son starting now all the things I have listed because they are compatible with most of what your doctor has ordered. We are all still on a learning curve about the least toxic, most efficient ways to get the toxic metals out of all of us!
I, however, am very conservative about the use of much oral DMSA or DMPS, preferring instead to simply tie up the extra levels of free toxic metals with nutritional based chelators like Garlic and Selenium, rather than believing that we have to REMOVE all of the mercury from the body before we can start to get well. That concept with LEAD is clearly proven to be erroneous and I believe that it will be shown to be erroneous in dealing with mercury. If we can prevent free mercury from damaging glutathione production and interfering with neurotransmitter function, its physical elimination from the body should NOT be an essential element of recovery, giving us TIME to work more gently with things like garlic to deal with it.
Sincerely,
Garry F. Gordon, MD,DO,MD(H)
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