EDTA Coag Profile
(±2004) I am still trying to figure out the role of EDTA in our kids with Autism, heavy metals, coag profile and abnormalities. I have spent 2 days reading 400 out of the 500 references to EDTA and my own searches as well. Nothing on en vivo use for coag/viscosity. Thanks Dr. Gordon.
I believe there are many things to consider. SODIUM EDTA by itself, of course, prevents blood from clotting in blood transfusion bottles, and its effects on platelets are very interesting.
There are many things to consider when deciding if oral Ca EDTA should be a PART of any protocol in the management of a health problem.
One of the beneficial effects seems to be related to the improvements following immune restoration due to lowered availability of toxic metals to catalyze free radicals. This is why we add EDTA to foods and it works even if we do NOT physically remove the trace metals from the food, yet the rate of oxidative destruction of the nutrients in the food is clearly abated.
You clearly believe that the patients that you deal with all suffer from MASSIVE toxic metal overload and that it is difficult to remove all of those toxic metals very rapidly, yet if you read 400 references, the issues of safety and efficacy in dealing with toxic metal overload should be clearly established.
Remember, this is with a compound costing not much more than Vitamin C and having almost the same safety profile!
Why is EDTA added to FOODS and why is it on the GRAS list? It helps to prevent the oxidative destruction of nutrients in food, maybe that will also occur in the bodies of sick patients who cannot possibly have adequate metal binding capabilities to deal with the excessive metals they are accumulating.
Thus, lowering lipid peroxidation, which starts immediately when EDTA is part of the diet, is useful, and yet, when EDTA leaves the body is CLEARLY removing lead, cadmium, etc. almost as well orally as parenterally.
If you attend the courses like those put on this past weekend on clinical metal toxicology by ICIM (formerly GLCCM), tapes may be available at 1-800-now-tape, and review the syllabus.
The fact is that lead makes mercury TEN TIMES more toxic and CADMIUM makes that combination 10 times more toxic, so here you have a way to safely, cheaply, continuously download toxic metals.
Some might feel that if you have NEJM proving that downloading lead saves kidneys, that it might also do useful things to the immune system (and brain), but the more efficient immune system probably is helping CONTROL total pathogen burden!
Dr. Bick is NOT into immunology or infectious disease, yet YOU know the connection, less infection translates into less coagulability.
The effects on PTT and prothromin etc. are NOT well studied but Vandeschaar in Holland has done the work on platelet membranes and EDTA, more needs to be done.
Of course, as I said, I like the Nattokinase and the Wobenzym; but I also refer you to heparin and EDTA on my website where the sulfated polysaccharides are giving heparin-like activity in the presence of EDTA. Look into transdermal use of DMPS, Dr.B has preliminary successes in autism but will not release anything further on this or just which method of transdermal application he is using until he has more data. The clinical success I have enjoyed with EDD over the nearly 20 years now of canceling all vascular surgery and not seeing MI’s or strokes, was all based on Lester Morrison’s work, which lead to my collaboration with him and the development of EDD as a way to replace aspirin and Coumadin in my patients. The product EDD, of course, alters blood coagulation parameters not only because of its GARLIC content but because of the effect of EDTA on the Red Algae (polysaccharide), which is well explained on my website and heavily studied by Lester Morrison MD. Use the search feature on my website to understand why NO ONE can duplicate the full blood thinning effects of EDD without studying all the components and, of course, we ALWAYS concurrently add Omega three oils as in Beyond Chelation, which is PROVEN to work better than aspirin. If you follow Lester Morrison’s directions of taking EDTA with Polysaccharide you get a "Heparin-like" action.
I believe the above constitutes a good benefit to risk rationale to continuously keep everyone with any health concern on oral EDTA based therapies, and agree that it is NOT A STAND ALONE APPROACH, but clearly a major adjunct.
At the ICIM conference this past weekend in Houston, it was interesting to get the clinical feedback of Dr. RJ and Dr. GK who have followed for years their own MERCURY detoxification research. They are stating that until they started the EDD product and stayed on it ORALLY for several months, they NEVER could get significant MERCURY to appear with ANYTHING used as a provocative treatment, but NOW that the lead and cadmium have all been dealt with, cheaply and safely by ORAL EDD, the parenteral provocation therapies are seeing from 3-5 times more mercury excretion than ever before achieved.
Thanks for your interest.
Sincerely,
Garry F. Gordon, MD,DO,MD(H)
Thank you again for our phone call last week. In further consideration of EDTA on the coag profiles, I wrote to Dr. Bick, and here is his reply:
IN GENERAL, EDTA SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT INFLUENCES ON MOST COAG STUDIES DEPENDING UPON THE CONCENTRATION OF THE EDTA. LET ME KNOW IF I CAN BE OF ADDITIONAL HELP.
Rodger L. Bick, M.D., Ph.D., FACP
Clinical Professor of Medicine & Pathology
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
Director: Dallas Thrombosis Hemostasis Clinical Center
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